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Apr 17Edited

You may have inadvertently discovered a metric for measuring apathy. Here's a thought: since engineers are analytically minded, any system designed to measure our performance is going to analysed and mitigated. When management started using #failing regtests to beat engineers over the head, guess what - tests that are known to fail get removed from the weekly run. The hilarious end-state in my workplace is that due to compute farm time-cost metrics, this has also become official enough to be automated in the infrastructure that runs the tests.

Even though your objective is actually to look after the well-being of your team, the data-gathering may be sending a message of "here's another manager who will use incomplete data to make decisions that increase process and adversely affect my job satisfaction".

Overall - and yes this is an engineer's perspective - it is more helpful if team members have the freedom to be completely open with you in conversation, and young engineers are actively encouraged to be open like this. Questions like looming burnout can be addressed indirectly by asking about activities outside work ("did anything fun last weekend?").

That does place a burden on you the manager, to amass and filter circumstantial evidence, but I think team leadership works best when based on large amounts of low quality info, than systematic gathering & analysis of data that are incomplete or liable to manipulation.

But... at the end the day an engineer like me is expecting my manager to develop people skills so that I don't have to!

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I'm glad a colleague sent this one along for me to read. Your framing of complaining as a closed loop and logging as an open ticket is one of the cleaner distinctions I've read on this dynamic.

For me, it's about the neuroscience underneath it. When someone vents in a team meeting, three chemicals light up quickly: dopamine from the validation and recognition in the room, cortisol released as stress exits their system, and oxytocin from the social bonding that comes from sharing frustration. That's a powerful cocktail. Logging a number into a scorecard offers none of that. No reward, no release, no connection. Just an open ticket and "deferred accountability".

So the gap or the problem you're describing is really three-fold: 1) a courage problem; 2) a culture problem, and 3) a design problem. The verbal channel is neurologically rewarding right now. The written channel? Well, that just asks people to delay gratification for an outcome they may not trust will come.

The culture piece you raised near the end is where I think the real work lives, and one in which systems do not create it. Leaders who understand why the meeting feels good can start designing environments where the documentation feels worth it, too.

Great piece. Genuinely.

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